update απο reddove: ο ~Κ~ΚΙΙΕ ειναι ο guest_451, για να μην υπαρχουν μπερδεματα στην αρχη, μιας και φαινεται πιο τρολ ο BeatNick. Γιατι και εγω οταν το διαβαζα μονο απο το εκφραστικο στυλ ψιλιαστηκα οτι ειναι αυτος και δεν ειναι ο BeatNick. Κατα τα αλλα ενα να πω: οι τραυματικες εμπειριες στην ανω πολη αφησαν τα σημαδια τους :-P
11:56] *** Channel created on Mon Dec 8 03:44:54 2008
[11:56] (guest_451) sthn eley8erotypia diabasa kati gia arsh asyloy mes stis giwrtes
[11:57] (guest_451) 3erete tipota?
[11:57] (BeatNick) den exw idea...
[11:57] (guest_451) yparxei tipota sxetiko anebasmen edw?
[11:57] (BeatNick) den diabasa kati sxetiko...
[11:58] (guest_451) to grafei san ektimhsh ena prama
[11:58] (guest_451) den exei epishmes dhlwseis...
[11:58] (BeatNick) e kala
[11:58] (BeatNick) an einai ektimish...
[11:59] (BeatNick) ki egw ektimw oti 8a ginei pra3ikophma
[11:59] (guest_451) isws apla na testaroyne antidraseis, 3erw gw?
[11:59] (guest_451) xaxaxa!!!
[11:59] (guest_451) akoy pra3ikopima!
[11:59] (BeatNick) prwta 8a ginei to pra3ikophma, kai meta h arsy asyloy :p
[12:00] (guest_451) ara h eley8erotypia leei gia pra3ikopima mes stis giwrtes
[12:00] (BeatNick) xaxa
[12:00] (BeatNick) opws to parei kaneis :
[12:00] (guest_451) modus popens!
[12:00] (BeatNick) :p
[12:00] (BeatNick) pame gia psonia shmera? :p
[12:01] (guest_451) a! nai!
[12:01] (guest_451) gia pes ti ginetai sthn a8hna?
[12:01] (guest_451) apo antidraseis
[12:01] (BeatNick) den katebhka
[12:01] (BeatNick) oti edei3e h tv prepei na isxyei
[12:01] (BeatNick) alla den nomizw na katebei kaneis gia psonia
[12:02] (guest_451) kateyei-den katyei xreiazetai mia antidrash s' ayto
[12:02] (BeatNick) kala
[12:02] (BeatNick) les kai einai kati kainoyrgio
[12:02] (BeatNick) egw dld eimai koroido poy doyleyw kyriakes?
[12:03] (guest_451) ws epishmo frouto einai kainoyrio
[12:03] (BeatNick) ti episimo
[12:03] (guest_451) kai to 8ema einai na mh doyleyei kaneis kyriakh, oxi na doyleyoyn oloi
[12:03] (BeatNick) edw kai xronia doyleyoyn kyriakes
[12:03] (BeatNick) estiatoria
[12:03] (BeatNick) bars
[12:04] (BeatNick) aerodromia
[12:04] (guest_451) nai, alla 8a genikeytei
[12:04] (BeatNick) sygkoinonies genikotera
[12:04] (BeatNick) 24wra hotlines
[12:04] (guest_451) ?
[12:04] (BeatNick) ta magazia mas maranane?
[12:04] (guest_451) sta magazia de doyleyoyne ergates?
[12:05] (BeatNick) e nai, aftoi giati na mhn doyleyoyn kyriakes
[12:05] (BeatNick) ki emeis na doyleyoyme?
[12:05] (BeatNick) koroido eimai dld?
[12:05] (guest_451) plaka moy kaneis?
[12:05] (BeatNick) kai na apanthsw
[12:05] (BeatNick) oxi den eimai koroido
[12:06] (BeatNick) plrwnomai +75%
[12:06] (BeatNick) to idio ki aftoi an apofasisoyn na doylepsoyn
[12:06] (BeatNick) den katalabainw giati antidroyn oloi
[12:06] (guest_451) eisai trol?
[12:06] (BeatNick) se kati poy efarmozetai edw kai xronia
[12:06] (BeatNick) se alloys kladoys
[12:07] (BeatNick) trol = ?
[12:07] (guest_451) sigoyra den eisai sth s.o.
[12:07] (BeatNick) oxi
[12:07] (BeatNick) perastikos eimai
[12:08] (guest_451) a! ara mporei na sobarologeis...
[12:08] (BeatNick) den yparxei ixnos xioymor safta poy lew
[12:08] (BeatNick) syzhthsh kanoyme
[12:08] (BeatNick) an exeis epixeirima apantas
[12:08] (BeatNick) ki egw akoyw
[12:08] (guest_451) loipon, egw lew pws to 8ema einai h epnakthsh ths dikia oy kyriakhs kai oxi h apolia ths dikias moy
[12:09] (BeatNick) dld thn kyriakh den 8a bgaineis apo to spiti dioti den yparxei poy8ena na pas
[12:09] (guest_451) de mporeis na zhtas thn e3iswsh pros ta panw th stigmh poy t' afentika trwne ton ampako
[12:10] (guest_451) ara einai swsto na doyleyoyme oloi kyriakh moy les
[12:11] (BeatNick) oloi h kanenas
[12:11] (BeatNick) pantws oxi misoi misoi
[12:11] (guest_451) kai to epixeirhma "egw eimai koroido?" paei strafi
[12:13] (BeatNick) koita
[12:13] (BeatNick) aneka8en kapoioi doyleyan thn kyriakh
[12:13] (BeatNick) den einai kainoyrgio fainomeno
[12:14] (BeatNick) bale kamia tainia toy 60 na deis
[12:14] (BeatNick) oti gia na pane sth paralia mpainan sto leoforio (kapoios odhgoyse)
[12:14] (BeatNick) kai sth volta toys pernane malli grias (kapoios to poyloyse)
[12:15] (BeatNick) twra an esy pisteyeis oti o odhgos kai o pwlhths prepei na anakthsoyn tis kyriakes toys,
[12:15] (guest_451) wraia! stoys ergazomenoys poy doyleyoyn Deyt-Sab ti na toys pw?
[12:16] (guest_451) xaramiste kai thn kyriakh gia looys alloileggyhs?
[12:16] (BeatNick) aftoi poy doyleyoyn deyt-sab den doyleyoyn taytoxrona kyriakh
[12:16] (BeatNick) egw otan doyleyw kyriakh pernw kapoia allh mera repo
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[12:17] (BeatNick) den eipa na katargh8ei to pen8hmero kai to sarantaoro
[12:17] (BeatNick) oyte na doyleyoyme astamathta
[12:18] (guest_451) de 3erw stn periptwsh twn kyriaktika ergazomenwn ti prepei na ginei, alla ti den prepei na ginei stoys alloys. To prwto 3eroyn na to lysoyn kalytera oi idioi
[12:18] (guest_451) esy poy blepeis na odhgei ayto?
[12:19] (guest_451) gia logoys isothtas to prow8ei hkybernhsh?
[12:19] (BeatNick) o logos gia ton opoio to proo8ei einai entelws akyros
[12:19] (BeatNick) den 8a anakamftei h oikonomia se 1 mera
[12:19] (guest_451) einai xazoi dladh?
[12:19] (BeatNick) gia kainoyrgio mas to les? :p
[12:20] (guest_451) na toys peisoyme me or8ologika epixeirhmata?
[12:20] (guest_451) ara na baloyme emena sthn kybernhsh poy 'mai e3ypnos!
[12:20] (BeatNick) ok mesa!!
[12:20] (BeatNick) na kanoyme pra3ikophma? :p
[12:21] (guest_451) den yparxoyne symferonta ktl poy e3yphreei h politikh e3oysia?
[12:21] (guest_451) re an me doyleyeis tosh wra kai xanw th doyleia moy gia n spas plaka 8A SE KREMASW STO SYNTAGMA!
[12:22] (BeatNick) nomizw pws oi politikoi to 3ekinisan afto
[12:22] (BeatNick) gia na "voh8hsoyn" tis epixeiriseis poy epligisan
[12:22] (BeatNick) alla opos panta mlkies kanoyn
[12:22] (BeatNick) giati enas koykos den fernei thn anoi3h
[12:23] (BeatNick) emena moy fainetai san kinish spasmodikh
[12:23] (guest_451) dhladh toys hr8e flasia? ti na kamw? ti na kamw? as anoi3w thn kyriakh ta katasthmata!
[12:23] (BeatNick) panikoy
[12:24] (BeatNick) kapws etsi
[12:24] (guest_451) egw otan panikobalomai trww ta nyxia moy den anoigw katasthmata
[12:24] (BeatNick) prospa8oyn na broyn tropoys na kerdisoyn psifoys
[12:25] (guest_451) bazontas me na doylepsw kyriakh?
[12:25] (BeatNick) afto einai proeretiko
[12:25] (BeatNick) perneis +75% panw
[12:25] (BeatNick) an 8es pas
[12:25] (BeatNick) an den 8es, den pas
[12:25] (BeatNick) ki an pas perneis to repo soy allh mera
[12:26] (guest_451) nai, swsta o ka8e ergazomenos poy 8a ty pi t' afentiko toy "doylepse kyriakh" mporei na pei "oxi bariemai"
[12:26] (BeatNick) koita
[12:26] (BeatNick) ekei poy doyleyw
[12:26] (BeatNick) kapoioi exoyn pei ok
[12:26] (BeatNick) kai kapioi alloi oxi
[12:27] (BeatNick) den shmainei oti diw3ane toys ypoloipoys...
[12:28] (guest_451) den einai pantoy etsi. den exw kwlhma me thn argia thn kyriakh, ama parw aria thn Trith de xaliemai. to 8ema einai to prama paei pros to na metafer8ei h argia thn trith h' gia na katargh8ei?
[12:28] (BeatNick) 8a metafer8ei
[12:28] (BeatNick) etsi anakoinosan
[12:29] (BeatNick) kai etsi einai kai stoys ypoloipoys kladoys poy hdh efarmozetai
[12:29] (guest_451) egkyrh pygh!
[12:29] (guest_451) na se rwthsw kati asxeto?
[12:29] (BeatNick) oti 8es
[12:30] (guest_451) politikws poy anoikeis? etsi gia na 3erw poy prosanatolizetai h syzhthsh!
[12:30] (guest_451) anarxikos, aristeros, sto SYRIZA sygkekrimena? poy?
[12:30] (BeatNick) eimai sto koma poy phre 10 monades stis teleftaies dhmoskophseis
[12:30] (BeatNick) den 3erw, den apantw
[12:30] (guest_451) oxi an psifizeis
[12:31] (BeatNick) psifizw
[12:31] (guest_451) ti taytothta dineis ston eayto soy
[12:31] (BeatNick) den exw dwsei
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[12:32] (guest_451) an psifizeis SYRIZA h' KKE eisai ektos grammhs kai prepei na epanafer8eis sthn ta3h
[12:32] (guest_451) to idio kai gia e3okoinoboyleytikh aristera (plhn oakke isws)
[12:33] (guest_451) an psifizeis, alla oxi kati ap' ayta tote exeis problhma
[12:33] (BeatNick) lew na pshfisw bergh stis epomenes (an kai den 3erw kan poios einai o typas)
[12:33] (BeatNick) dld ti problhma exw?
[12:34] (guest_451) e3hga poios inai o berghs kai 8a soy pw
[12:35] (BeatNick) oikologos
[12:35] (BeatNick) einai sto 3%
[12:35] (guest_451) aytos me tis rwsides?
[12:35] (BeatNick) mpainei/den mpainei sth voylh
[12:35] (BeatNick) den 3erw perissotera
[12:36] (BeatNick) eimai ths apopshs oti osa perissotera kommata 8a einai sth boylh, toso to kalytero
[12:36] (guest_451) dhladh den eisai anarxikos gia na s xrhsimopoiw gia na doyleyw kati filarakia?
[12:36] (guest_451) plaka kanw...
[12:36] (BeatNick) koita
[12:36] (BeatNick) sxetika me thn anarxia
[12:37] (BeatNick) einai poly oraia gia na einai alh8inh
[12:37] (BeatNick) den nomizw na ginei pote sth pra3h
[12:37] (guest_451) clap-clap-clap
[12:37] (BeatNick) oxi se tetoia klimaka
[12:37] (BeatNick) to exw dei pantws se mikroterh klimaka
[12:37] (BeatNick) ~40 atoma
[12:38] (guest_451) sth boyh?
[12:38] (guest_451) boylh ennow..
[12:38] (BeatNick) lol oxi :p
[12:38] (BeatNick) kapoy poy symmeteixa
[12:38] (guest_451) tote? sto oikogeniako trapezi?
[12:39] (BeatNick) den eimaste 40 sto oikogeniako trapezi
[12:39] (BeatNick) ki oyte einai oi goneis moy anarxikoi :p
[12:39] (guest_451) h boylh, 8ewrhtika milwntas, 8a ginei kalei otan oi boyleytes ginoyn 10.000.000
[12:39] (guest_451) praktika tera
[12:39] (BeatNick) s'afto symfwnw
[12:40] (BeatNick) alla tote den 8a einai anarxia
[12:40] (BeatNick) 8a einai dhmokratia
[12:40] (guest_451) o monos poy 8a swsei ton kosmo einai o kosmos o idios
[12:40] (BeatNick) eisai dhmokratikos?
[12:40] (guest_451) oxi oi ekloges h' oi kalyteroi sysxetismoi sth boylh
[12:40] (BeatNick) ase tis ekloges kai mlkies
[12:41] (BeatNick) den 8ymamai pote na exoyme ekle3ei ton pro8ypoyrgo mas
[12:41] (BeatNick) ton eklegoyn monoi toys
[12:41] (BeatNick) dhmopsifisma apo pote exei na ginei?
[12:42] (BeatNick) 30 xronia, apo ton papadopoylo an 8ymasai
[12:42] (guest_451) ma ayto les! na mpoyne polla kommata st boylh! den 3erw ti eimai, ligo-poly eimai ayto poy fenetai mesa ap' yth thn koybenta
[12:43] (BeatNick) giafto to logo psifizw mesaia kommata
[12:43] (guest_451) telws pantwn, gia thn kyriakh legame kai katalaba thn politikh soy taytothta...
[12:43] (BeatNick) dhmokratikos?
[12:43] (guest_451) paradhmokratikos
[12:43] (guest_451) lol
[12:43] (BeatNick) xaxa
[12:43] (BeatNick) ok
[12:44] (BeatNick) thn epomenh fora poy 8a me rwthsoyn afto 8a pw
[12:44] (BeatNick) pantws eimai kata toy shmerinoy politeymatos (oligarxia)
[12:45] (BeatNick) poy thn baftizoyn dhmokratia gia na mas xaideyoyn ta aftia
[12:46] (guest_451) de mporei na xwresei to myalo moy pws kapoios poy mpainei sto indymedia (kai poy den einai troll) einai yper toy na doyleyoyme kyriakh kai toy na mpoyme sth boylh
[12:46] (guest_451) kata t' alla h o.a.blog toys xalaei!
[12:47] (BeatNick) mallon epeidh hdh doyleyw thn kyriakh, den moy fainetai para3eno...
[12:48] (BeatNick) den eimai kai 8rhskeyomenos na phgainw sthn ekklhsia opote moy fainetai ok...
[12:48] (guest_451) epeidh soy fenetai sena ok egw prepei na doyleyw sa malakas?
[12:49] (BeatNick) dld me les malaka epeidh doyleyw?
[12:49] (guest_451) kai to eipame to zhthma kyriakh-trith
[12:49] (guest_451) xaxaxa!
[12:49] (guest_451) eisai trol kai d moy to bgazeis ap' to myalo!
[12:50] (BeatNick) tespa
[12:50] (BeatNick) o ka8enas me tis apopseis toy
[12:50] (BeatNick) esy ypo8etw eisai anarxikos
[12:50] (BeatNick) gia na eisai edw...
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[12:51] (guest_451) oxi, den se lew malaka, lew pws enai malakia na doyleyei kaneis xwris repo. ayto pane na kamoyne
[12:51] (BeatNick) ma poios eipe kati tetoio
[12:51] (guest_451) oxi den eimai, gia na lew pws 8a doylepsw kati filarakia anarxikoys...
[12:52] (kap) i sygentrwsi simera pws pige?
[12:52] (BeatNick) kap eisai anarxikos?
[12:52] (guest_451) eimai kerkyraios, den 3erw
[12:52] (guest_451) ti rwtas re nick?
[12:53] (kap) beatnick eisai sti s.o.?
[12:53] (guest_451) egw eimai
[12:53] (kap) filo-anarxikos
[12:53] (guest_451) mhn apantas re file
[12:54] (kap) poios einai so?
[12:54] (guest_451) ema8es esy tipota gia thn arsh asyloy poy leei h eley8erotypia?
[12:54] (BeatNick) brb
[12:54] (guest_451) egw eimai leme!
[12:55] (kap) kai giati den exeis @ ? :P
[12:55] (guest_451) an 8es diadhkastika toy indy mporw
[12:55] (guest_451) an 8es nea ap a8hna den 3erw
[12:55] (kap) mporeis na diorthwseis kati sto istoriko apo tin eksegersi?
[12:55] (guest_451) ti?
[12:56] (kap) ekei pou leei fwtografies gia tin poreia 19/12
[12:56] (kap) 18/12
[12:56] (guest_451) link?
[12:56] (kap) to 4o link gia tis fwtografies
[12:56] (guest_451) nai
[12:56] (kap) einai lathos, exeis photos apo alli poreia
[12:57] (kap) ara vale auto px sti thesi tou: http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=954967
[12:57] (guest_451) den 3erw, gia allages prepei na syzhthsw me to spyro
[12:57] (kap) kala pes tou to omws
[12:58] (kap) alla afou vlepeis oti einai lathos giatiprepei na rwtiseis?
[12:58] (guest_451) ama symfwnhsei 8a ginei
[12:58] (kap) se ti na symfwnisei sto oti exete lathos to autonoito?
[12:58] (guest_451) 3ereis twra, yparxei mia diadhkasia
[12:59] (guest_451) de kanoyme o,ti goystaroyme
[12:59] (kap) simeiwse to omws
[12:59] (guest_451) mhn anhsyxeis...
[12:59] (guest_451) de soy eggyomai tpota omws
[13:00] (kap) telospantwn, gia kalo to eipa
[13:00] (guest_451) 8a rwthsw to spyro prta
[13:00] (kap) ama thelete na exete lathos kentriko min to allaksete
[13:00] (guest_451) den to 3eroyme ayto
[13:00] (guest_451) mporei na 'sai troll
[13:00] (guest_451) h' perkratikos
[13:01] (kap) asfalitis eimai
[13:01] (kap) :P
[13:01] (guest_451) h' se3isths
[13:01] (guest_451) nai, kane plaka...
[13:01] (kap) an eimouna ena apo auta, siga min proteina apla diorthwsi kentrikou sto indymedia
[13:01] (kap) tha ekana erwtiseis
[13:02] (kap) !
[13:02] (guest_451) poy 3eroyme gia to ti krybei h "dior8wh" poy les
[13:02] (guest_451) ?
[13:03] (kap) ti mporei na kryvei dld? afou katarxas einai swsti!
[13:04] (guest_451) 3erw gw? ama h3era 8a programmatiza to indy na mhn ta dexetai aytomata
[13:04] (kap) ti na min dexete automata
[13:04] * BeatNick auto-away after 10 minutes of inactivity
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[13:04] (guest_451) tis trolies
[13:05] (kap) kai pws na entopiseis an kapoios einai troll?
[13:05] (guest_451) tropos toy legein re psile..
[13:06] (guest_451) pantws gia na epimeneis toso shmainei oti exeis lerwsei th fwlia soy...
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[13:06] (guest_451) loipon, s' afinw twra
[13:06] (guest_451) mila me ton picolo
[13:07] (kap) poia fwlia exw lerwsei re? eleos,. epeidi eida ena lathos sto kentriko kai eipa na sas to deiksw ftaiw ki olas? eleos edw mesa
[13:08] (guest_451) xalarwse ligo
[13:09] (guest_451) ase toys tsampoykades
[13:09] (guest_451) mh se peta3w e3w
[13:09] (kap) esy ksekinises na milas kakoproaireta
[13:09] (kap) kai me yfos
[13:10] (guest_451) egw eimai sth so kai kanw oti m' aresei
[13:10] (kap) kai twra apeileis ki olas
[13:10] (guest_451) esy na prosexeis
[13:10] (guest_451) to meson den einai diko soy ki egw exw xreos na to prostateyw
[13:10] (kap) kai i so exei to alathito?
[13:10] (guest_451) apo troll sa ki esena
[13:11] (guest_451) den eipa ayto
[13:11] (guest_451) exei ey8ynes
[13:11] (kap) kala esy oneirevesai troll
[13:11] (guest_451) oneirebomai?
[13:12] (guest_451) edw kanane katalhpsh tis proalles
[13:12] (kap) ena troll tha ekane diorthwsi kentrikou i opoia einai kai swsti?
[13:12] (guest_451) h o.a.blog exei skistei sis trolies ktl ktl
[13:12] (guest_451) 3erw gw ti mporei na skeftetai ena troll?
[13:13] (kap) esy den ksereis na ksexwrizeis poios einai troll
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[13:13] (kap) kai eisai kai sti so
[13:13] (guest_451) kapoioi apla einai pio pepeiramenoi kai s' aytoys apey8ynomai
[13:13] (kap) provlimatisou
[13:13] (guest_451) eipa 8a rwthsw to spyro
[13:14] (guest_451) ante twra, giati de 8a asxoloymaste olh mera me sena
[13:15] (guest_451) ki tis "dor8seis" soy
[13:15] (kap) auto pantws den to ksexnaw
[13:15] (kap) [13:09] (guest_451) egw eimai sth so kai kanw oti m' aresei
[13:15] (guest_451) nai mh koimh8eis to brady
[13:15] (kap) epesa se eksousiolagno ''anarxiko''
[13:16] *** SputNick is now known as BeatNick
[13:16] (BeatNick) kala re eleipsa ligo kai malwsate?
[13:16] (guest_451) to na postateyeis to meson den einai e3oysiolagnia
[13:16] (BeatNick) na kanw ton diaitith?
[13:16] (guest_451) BeatNick me rwthses ti einai troll
[13:16] (guest_451) e, ayto einai trol!
[13:17] (BeatNick) sorry, eimai kai kainoyrgios...
[13:17] (BeatNick) kap ti eisai dld? e3hga moy...
[13:17] (kap) to na les egw eimai sth so kai kanw oti m' aresei einai eksousiolagnia
[13:17] (kap) alla telospantwn
[13:17] (BeatNick) kala egw kanw oti maresei xwris na eimai sth so :p
[13:17] (guest_451) einai troll mwre kai twra to dia8nizei me ampelofilosofies
[13:18] (kap) egw mpika se auto to room gia na proteinw mia diorthwsi sto kentriko
[13:18] (kap) kai o eksypnos pou einai kai sti so
[13:18] (guest_451) "dior8wsh" na les...
[13:18] (kap) arxise na oneirevetai oti eimai troll
[13:18] (kap) kai na apeilei
[13:18] (BeatNick) kala 8a psa3w ti einai troll sto le3iko
[13:19] (guest_451) mhn ypswneis th fwnh soy se mena!
[13:19] (BeatNick) skaste re 8ewreiste kai anarxikoi
[13:19] (BeatNick) anarxia einai sevasmos prwta apola
[13:19] (kap) beatnick gia na deis oti exw dikio
[13:19] (BeatNick) an den seveste o enas ton allon
[13:19] (BeatNick) @@ anarxikoi eiste
[13:19] (BeatNick) 3ekiname pali hrema kai xwris fones twra?
[13:20] (guest_451) http://o-a-blog.blogspot.com/ kai http://politikotroll.blogspot.com/2008/05/blog-post_14.html
[13:20] (kap) egw den fwnaksa pote
[13:20] (guest_451) aytoi einai pisw ap' ton kyrio
[13:20] (BeatNick) ok
[13:20] (kap) aston na krinei mono tou
[13:21] (kap) beatnick thes na sou deiksw ti diorthwsi proteina?
[13:21] (kap) kai vgale symperasma
[13:21] (guest_451) poy 3erw ama ki nick einai troll
[13:21] (kap) monos sou
[13:21] (guest_451) ki eiste synennomenoi
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[13:22] (guest_451) xaxaxaxa!!!
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